Ari’s long travel disappearances
Ari describes going off-grid for six to seven months and how it differs from earlier trips when he stayed in closer contact. They joke about people not knowing where he was and how he still did some remote podcasts.
#2492 - Ari Shaffir
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Ari Shaffir is a comedian, writer, and host of “You Be Trippin’.” His seven-episode live storytelling series, “The End,” is available now from YMH Studios.https://theend.ymhstudios.comwww.youtube.com/@youbetrippinpodwww.youtube.com/@arishaffirwww.arishaffir.com …
Ari Shaffir is a comedian, writer, and host of “You Be Trippin’.” His seven-episode live storytelling series, “The End,” is available now from YMH Studios.https://theend.ymhstudios.comwww.youtube.com/@youbetrippinpodwww.youtube.com/@arishaffirwww.arishaffir.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at drinkag1.com/joerogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Key Topics
- Ari’s long travel disappearances
- Pandemic boredom and a 21 Jump Street recap podcast
- Unregulated edibles and getting uncomfortably high
- THC pills, paranoia, and reading people’s energy
- Seeing drug states in crowds
- Ibogaine and psychedelic therapy moving toward acceptance
- Texas ibogaine initiative and political stance shifts
- Weed potency, mental health risks, and the return of mild cannabis
- Ayahuasca tourism and community reappraisal
- Drug policy legacy of the Controlled Substances Act
- Naming MDMA versus “Molly” and perception management
- Picking wild mushrooms and odd legality lines
- Elephant rides, tourism ethics, and changing norms
- Brittney Griner and how publicity affects negotiations
- Media incentives and the Trump coverage feedback loop
- Terrorism, military budgets, and needing an enemy
- Afghanistan withdrawal and abandoned equipment
- Opioid crisis parallels with corporate harm
- Painkiller and the Sackler-era marketing playbook
- Doctors offering opiates too casually
- Tylenol overdose risk and acetaminophen liver failure
- Chicago Tylenol murders and product tampering paranoia
- Ford Pinto cost-benefit morality
- Allegations of corporate violence against unions abroad
- Ross Perot, offshoring, and the hollowing out of industrial cities
- Detroit’s rebound and Detroit-style pizza
- Dave Portnoy’s influence on pizza consumption
- Overeating, food regret, and post-show hunger
- UFC nostalgia and on-camera goofing at fights
- Fighter weight cutting as ‘sanctioned cheating’
- Women and weight cutting severity
- Boxing versus MMA weight classes and fan interest
- Bare-knuckle boxing and novelty combat formats
- Chess ratings, Magnus Carlsen, and genius perception
- Pool perfection, Fargo ratings, and never-miss matches
- Asia’s cue sports economy and players chasing bigger purses
- Snooker’s massive Chinese viewership and cultural scale
- Three-cushion billiards and learning angles through spin
- Dominican pool rooms, gambling, and chaotic playing conditions
- Poker as a job and using tells against pros
- Old poker tell lore and outdated cultural generalizations
- Terminology fights over ‘Oriental’ and what ‘Asian’ includes
- Middle East borders, Gaza, and Lebanon escalation
- Israeli domestic protests and judicial reform before Oct 7
- Gaza devastation and tribal moral sorting
- Wesley Clark memo debate and pattern-matching wars
- Climate change, natural variability, and corruption in ‘green’ policy
- Ancient megaliths, lost civilizations, and construction mysteries
- Underground cities and hidden megastructures discoveries
- Influencers as the worst tourists
- Noise culture, speakerphone norms, and urban stress adaptation
- Birdsong, traffic noise, and mental health effects
- New York parks politics and protecting green space
- Grounding, wilderness resets, and creativity away from screens
- Ari’s podcast batching and low-stress production strategy
- This Is Not Happening fallout and Comedy Central gatekeeping
- The End: rebooting the storytelling format independently
- Stand-up comedy as a universally admired job
- Career anxiety, clip culture, and staying true to your style
Pandemic boredom and a 21 Jump Street recap podcast
They talk about starting a watch-along breakdown podcast during the pandemic after abandoning a Sex and the City idea. It becomes a riff on how comedians fill time when touring shuts down.
Unregulated edibles and getting uncomfortably high
Joe recalls early “X dose” edibles and how inconsistent labeling made dosing unpredictable. He describes a terrifyingly strong edible ride on BART where reality felt flat and unreal.
THC pills, paranoia, and reading people’s energy
Joe tells a story about taking strong THC pills at a jiu-jitsu event and sensing something dark in a guy’s demeanor. Later he learned the man was wanted for rape, reinforcing the idea that drugs can amplify intuition but also distort it.
Seeing drug states in crowds
Ari describes leaving a festival and feeling like he could identify who was on mushrooms, acid, weed, alcohol, or MDMA just by looking. They discuss how altered states change social perception and pattern recognition.
Ibogaine and psychedelic therapy moving toward acceptance
They discuss ibogaine, MDMA, and psilocybin as non-recreational tools for addiction and PTSD treatment, especially for veterans. They frame political hesitation as fear of being labeled pro-drug despite mounting clinical evidence.
Texas ibogaine initiative and political stance shifts
Joe praises Texas leaders for allocating major funding after being convinced ibogaine is therapeutic rather than recreational. They use it as an example of officials changing views when confronted with detailed information.
Weed potency, mental health risks, and the return of mild cannabis
They argue high-THC products are not for everyone, especially those predisposed to psychosis. They praise lower-potency “old school” weed as closer to a manageable, social high than modern concentrates.
Ayahuasca tourism and community reappraisal
Ari recounts an Ecuadorian town choosing to brand itself around ayahuasca despite fears of attracting addicts. Local leaders changed their minds after experiencing ceremonies and seeing it as infrequent, intentional use.
Drug policy legacy of the Controlled Substances Act
They trace stigma and legal barriers to Nixon-era policy and how it shaped cultural assumptions for decades. The conversation emphasizes how hard it is to revisit entrenched narratives once they become default beliefs.
Naming MDMA versus “Molly” and perception management
They debate advocacy groups pushing “MDMA” to avoid party-drug connotations. Ari argues common names reflect real-world use and that rebranding cannot erase recreational culture.
Picking wild mushrooms and odd legality lines
They joke about mushroom foraging in places like Edinburgh and the absurdity of when something becomes illegal. The discussion highlights how laws often hinge on technicalities rather than harm.
Elephant rides, tourism ethics, and changing norms
Joe describes riding rescue elephants in Thailand and later feeling conflicted about it. They contrast “humane” experiences with broader concerns about exploitation and shifting travel ethics.
Brittney Griner and how publicity affects negotiations
They argue public outrage and constant commentary can raise the stakes and complicate hostage-style negotiations. The discussion frames media attention as both inevitable and sometimes counterproductive.
Media incentives and the Trump coverage feedback loop
They discuss how networks and influencers profit from nonstop attention and how outrage coverage can amplify the target. They describe a cycle where attention becomes currency regardless of stated intentions.
Terrorism, military budgets, and needing an enemy
They explore a claim that large defense spending depends on maintaining a credible external threat. The conversation also questions whether some foreign policy outcomes are accidents or predictable incentives.
Afghanistan withdrawal and abandoned equipment
They criticize leaving behind military hardware and question why more wasn’t destroyed or removed. They frame it as either incompetence at scale or a choice with downstream consequences.
Opioid crisis parallels with corporate harm
They compare cartels and extremist groups to powerful domestic industries that profit despite public damage. The conversation cites large overdose death tolls and focuses on incentives and lobbying power.
Painkiller and the Sackler-era marketing playbook
They discuss dramatizations of OxyContin’s rollout and how emotional storytelling makes the harm feel real. They focus on expanding prescribing thresholds and misleading claims about addiction risk.
Doctors offering opiates too casually
Joe describes being offered multiple opiates after minor procedures and feeling the system is over-prescriptive. They criticize weak warnings and perverse incentives that encourage filling prescriptions.
Tylenol overdose risk and acetaminophen liver failure
They talk about how common painkillers can be deadly when misused, especially acetaminophen. The discussion frames some deaths as tragic and preventable through better public understanding.
Chicago Tylenol murders and product tampering paranoia
They recount the cyanide-laced Tylenol case and how it changed packaging norms. They also discuss copycats and whether companies minimized risk versus issuing broader recalls.
Ford Pinto cost-benefit morality
They revisit the story of rear-end fire risk and the idea that corporations weigh payouts against redesign costs. The conversation uses it as a shorthand for institutional cruelty driven by profit.
Allegations of corporate violence against unions abroad
They discuss claims that major companies supported intimidation or violence to suppress labor movements in places like Colombia and Guatemala. It is framed as an extension of protecting margins at extreme human cost.
Ross Perot, offshoring, and the hollowing out of industrial cities
They talk about trade policy enabling moving factories to cheaper labor markets and weakening unions. They cite Detroit and Flint as symbols of long-term social damage from corporate relocation.
Detroit’s rebound and Detroit-style pizza
They note Detroit’s partial recovery with new businesses and culture. The conversation shifts into food, praising Detroit-style pizza and joking about why people prefer pizza shapes and slice conventions.
Dave Portnoy’s influence on pizza consumption
They argue Portnoy’s pizza reviews drive real consumer behavior and act as a national recommendation engine. They describe his blunt style, conflicts with shop owners, and how viewers use him for local picks.
Overeating, food regret, and post-show hunger
They swap stories about eating past comfort, especially in New York, and feeling mentally dulled afterward. Ari connects compulsive ordering to childhood scarcity and a desire for abundance.
UFC nostalgia and on-camera goofing at fights
They reminisce about early UFC events when fewer people watched and friends could joke on camera. Ari recalls making out with Duncan during a broadcast as a bored-comic stunt.
Fighter weight cutting as ‘sanctioned cheating’
They criticize modern weight cutting as rewarding dehydration strategy over skill and argue it distorts matchups. They propose random checks and structural reforms to force athletes to compete closer to true weight.
Women and weight cutting severity
They note weight cuts can be harsher for women due to physiology and water retention. The point is used to argue the current system is both unsafe and unevenly punishing.
Boxing versus MMA weight classes and fan interest
They compare boxing’s many divisions to UFC’s fewer, highlighting gaps like 185 to 205. They also discuss how some divisions draw less attention regardless of talent and how size bias shapes fandom.
Bare-knuckle boxing and novelty combat formats
They note bare-knuckle boxing’s comeback and joke about chess boxing as an inherently flawed combo. The conversation centers on how spectacle evolves and cycles back to older formats.
Chess ratings, Magnus Carlsen, and genius perception
They discuss chess ratings as a handicap-like system and cite Magnus Carlsen’s historically high peak. They also touch on Bobby Fischer’s legacy and how dominance is contextualized by era and competition.
Pool perfection, Fargo ratings, and never-miss matches
They describe elite pool performances where players run racks without missing and explain Fargo ratings. The discussion highlights how rare sustained perfection is under tight-pocket conditions.
Asia’s cue sports economy and players chasing bigger purses
They discuss Asian popularity of cue sports and new formats in China offering large prize pools. They connect it to athletes relocating for money, similar to women’s basketball players going abroad.
Snooker’s massive Chinese viewership and cultural scale
They cite huge TV audiences for snooker in China and compare it to major U.S. sports events. The conversation contrasts snooker’s table size, ball set, and strategic pace with pool.
Three-cushion billiards and learning angles through spin
They explain the basics of three-cushion billiards and why it improves understanding of speed, rails, and English. The appeal is framed as skill-building even if it lacks the satisfaction of pocketing balls.
Dominican pool rooms, gambling, and chaotic playing conditions
They describe loud, crowded pool rooms where movement and yelling are constant and big money is on the line. Pros can underperform because the environment disrupts focus, leading some to use noise-canceling earbuds.
Poker as a job and using tells against pros
Ari talks about grinding poker and cites Mike Caro’s classic book on tells. He shares a hand where he deliberately looked at chips to fake strength and got a fold by reverse-engineering the tell.
Old poker tell lore and outdated cultural generalizations
They note the book includes crude, era-specific stereotypes about how different groups play. The segment becomes a broader riff on how “observations” age and what gets labeled unacceptable over time.
Terminology fights over ‘Oriental’ and what ‘Asian’ includes
They argue about shifting language norms and how broad labels like “Asian” cover vast regions and cultures. The conversation is mostly about category boundaries and how definitions become politicized.
Middle East borders, Gaza, and Lebanon escalation
They discuss heavily fortified borders and describe reports of Israel bombing southern Lebanon and targeting journalists. The segment focuses on fear of widening conflict and the human cost of escalation.
Israeli domestic protests and judicial reform before Oct 7
They recall months of mass protests against Netanyahu’s proposed judicial changes before the war. The point is used to argue Israel is politically divided and not a monolithic hive mind.
Gaza devastation and tribal moral sorting
They describe Gaza as flattened and criticize justifying civilian suffering by collective blame. They argue moral empathy should not depend on identity or faction and compare it to hypothetical retaliation scenarios.
Wesley Clark memo debate and pattern-matching wars
They discuss the controversy over secondhand claims about planned regime-change targets. The argument hinges on whether the subsequent sequence of conflicts makes the claim relevant even if the memo wasn’t personally read.
Climate change, natural variability, and corruption in ‘green’ policy
They acknowledge climate has always shifted while also arguing humans worsen it through pollution. They criticize profiteering, performative recycling, and using climate as a tool for control rather than effective solutions.
Ancient megaliths, lost civilizations, and construction mysteries
They discuss sites like Machu Picchu, Baalbek, Petra, and Nazca lines as evidence of advanced ancient engineering. They emphasize unknown builders, earthquake-resistant stonework, and the puzzle of moving massive blocks.
Underground cities and hidden megastructures discoveries
They recount stories like Derinkuyu in Turkey being found via a small opening and China’s Longyou Caves discovered after draining ponds. The theme is how huge human-made spaces can exist with unclear provenance and sparse records.
Influencers as the worst tourists
Ari says guides complain influencers disrupt trips by demanding shots and special treatment. They cite a case of a streamer punished abroad and argue more consequences might curb antisocial behavior.
Noise culture, speakerphone norms, and urban stress adaptation
They compare how different places tolerate loud public audio and constant chatter. The discussion frames it as cultural baseline differences and how cities normalize chronic sensory overload.
Birdsong, traffic noise, and mental health effects
They discuss research suggesting birdsong can reduce anxiety and traffic noise can worsen mood. The broader point is that the nervous system still treats ambient sound patterns as safety signals.
New York parks politics and protecting green space
They argue parks materially improve city life and criticize attempts to replace small community gardens with development when alternatives exist. Central Park is treated as an untouchable mental-health asset that would be impossible to build today.
Grounding, wilderness resets, and creativity away from screens
They discuss barefoot grounding claims and the noticeable mental shift when offline in remote nature. Ari frames his months without social media as restoring attention, creativity, and a sense of self.
Ari’s podcast batching and low-stress production strategy
Ari explains banking evergreen episodes, batching ad reads, and minimizing tech overhead by using a phone and a tripod. He describes building a workflow that avoids constant scheduling pressure.
This Is Not Happening fallout and Comedy Central gatekeeping
They describe network pressure around specials and how Ari’s show was canceled after refusing certain deals. They frame it as executive power plays that backfired as the internet made gatekeepers less relevant.
The End: rebooting the storytelling format independently
Ari describes producing a new series with YMH support, flying in many comics, and aiming for TV-level quality without network constraints. He frames it as finishing unfinished business and ending the project on his own terms.
Stand-up comedy as a universally admired job
Ari says in many countries people react with genuine awe to the idea of making a living as a stand-up comic. They frame it as a rare job title that reliably sparks joy and curiosity from strangers.
Career anxiety, clip culture, and staying true to your style
They discuss pressure to chase short-form crowdwork clips and compare different paths to building an audience. The advice is to focus on what you do well, accept a longer road, and avoid letting platforms dictate craft.